Soy has been the main source of protein in a lot of Asian countries. Given the population in those countries, it’s safe to say it has no impact in fertility. Also, the people living there tend to live longer and stay healthier compare to massive meat eaters like Americans. Maybe you should stop talking about things you don’t know. But if you did that, you wouldn’t talk much. I don’t think I’ve ever came across a person as stupid as you before.

Want to meet someone truly stupid? Look in the mirror. People in Asian countries tend to eat fermented soy, which effectively denatures most of it’s goitrogens, phytates, phytoestrogens, and trypsin inhibitors. Please try doing more research before you run your mouth (and fingers) like a scientifically illiterate idiot:

“Soy beans were not considered fit for humans until the Chinese learned to ferment them, which makes them digestible. Asian diets now include fermented soy beans in the form of natto, miso, tamari, and tempeh. Soy producers want you to eat more soy — more than the Asians eat, and more than is good for you. The Japanese and Chinese eat 10 grams of soy per day — about two teaspoons. Yet a soy manufacturer recommends Americans eat ten times what the Japanese eat — 100 grams of soy protein per day.“

Tofuyo which is lightly fermented tofu is also better BTW. In Asia tofu is eaten in moderate amounts, many forms of it (tempeh) are fermented and soy sauce is entirely fermented. 10 grams VS 100 grams, someone obviously can’t count. No studies? You really are ignorant.

When Veganism Is an Eating Disorder

For people who refuse to consume any animal products, acceptable food can be hard to come by—which makes veganism a perfect cover for those hiding their anorexia.

When Jill Miller reflects on her long, painful dance with veganism, anorexia, and bulimia, she remembers standing alone in her kitchen, binge-eating a tofu-cream pie.

These episodes of stuffing herself with whipped soy—when what she really wanted was a pint of Ben & Jerry’s—stand out in her mind as a sign that her commitment to veganism was a cover for something darker. As do the many times that she turned down food with the seemingly innocent, even noble excuse that no one could argue with: Oh, sorry. I can’t eat that—I’m vegan.

“No prime rib and Yorkshire pudding at New Year’s with Grandpa,” says Miller. “This happened at every family event.”

“I seized on the food theory of veganism to justify my desire to restrict,” says one former vegan. “It was a convenient way to eliminate fat and calories.”

The shame, discomfort, and self-loathing represented by her eating habits defined much of her early life. When she was just 13, Miller became a vegetarian, in part for philosophical reasons, but mainly as an excuse to avoid her mom’s New Orleans-style chicken-fried steak and jambalaya. As she forged a career in yoga instruction, she further restricted her diet by going vegan, all the while struggling with an eating disorder that she kept under wraps.

“I seized on the food theory of veganism to justify my desire to restrict,” she told The Daily Beast. “It was a convenient way to eliminate fat and calories.”

A breakthrough came shortly after she turned 30. She realized that the only way to fight her illness—and be happy—was to stop saying “no” to so many foods, and begin saying “yes.” She’s now an omnivorous yoga guru, starring in dozens of instructional DVDs, and she’s never felt better.

As veganism moves from the fringes to the mainstream of American culture, with A-listers like Natalie Portman and Jonathan Safran Foer loudly endorsing it, more Americans are giving it a whirl. Five percent of people in this country identify as vegan, according to a 2002 Time/CNN poll. And for most, becoming vegan can mark a healthy shift toward wholesome eating and concern for the welfare of animals. But for those at risk of developing an eating disorder, it can mask or trigger an illness, providing a socially conscious excuse not to partake in family barbeques or dinners out with friends.

According to Dr. Angela Guarda, director of the Johns Hopkins Eating Disorders Program, many vegans (and vegetarians) who enter her treatment center initially deny an underlying problem—only to later confess that their efforts to avoid animal products were really an effort to avoid food in general. “In most of our patients, the vegetarianism is in the service of the eating disorder,” she said.

For this reason, Guarda and her staff try to dissuade patients from observing any form of vegetarianism while undergoing treatment, encouraging them to broaden their food repertoire to include some meat. Other eating disorder and nutrition specialists report similar approaches.

Dr. Marcia Herrin, founder of the Dartmouth College Eating Disorders Prevention, Education and Treatment Program and now a dietician in private practice, takes a stricter (if potentially problematic) approach: Herrin tells parents not to let their kids be vegetarian until they go to college, echoing that the diet can create a “ruse” that loved ones can’t see through. “Most families don’t have the time to prepare vegetarian entrées,” she said. “What’s at risk is the child’s growth and development, and potentially an eating disorder.”

Herrin may be onto something: A 2009 study in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association revealed that young adults ages 15 to 23 who reported being vegetarian were, at some point, more likely to have also engaged in unhealthy weight-loss behaviors like bingeing, purging, and using diet pills or laxatives. And surveys show that the prevalence of vegetarianism among eating-disorder patients is higher than in the general population.

It’s important to note that for most of the country’s roughly 3 million vegans, who don’t consume or wear any animal products, their eating habits never veer into mental illness. Many consider veganism a lifestyle, says Annie Hartnett, an animal-rights activist and blogger for Change.org, or a protest against cruel farming practices. And studies have found that the physical benefits of veganism, when observed in a healthy way, are extraordinary, including lowered risk of chronic disease, improved heart health, and increased energy.

Problems arise when individuals approach veganism primarily as a vehicle for weight loss, and indeed, more than ever, it’s being marketed by certain proponents as an extreme diet. Last month, actress Jessica Simpson tweeted that she’s going vegan, along with drinking a popular weight-loss tea. While she later claimed the veganism isn’t to shed pounds, tabloids have since treated it as if it were the next Atkins Diet. Then there’s the bestselling Skinny Bitch series, a vegan manifesto in diet-book packaging. Even PETA is guilty: This past May, the organization proposed placing an ad on the Great Wall of China, depicting an overweight American tourist, with the caption: “It’s the Wall That We Should See From Space, Not You. Go Vegan.”

At the most toxic end of the eating-disorder spectrum, “ Pro-ana” websites pitch veganism as a trick of the trade, so to speak—as both a weight-loss plan and a front so no one will notice you’re anorexic. When Georgia Hollenbeck, 24, was in her early teens and spiraling into anorexia and bulimia, the veterinary worker decided to give veganism a try after reading about it on one of these sites. “I’m from Michigan, so we eat a lot of meat here,” she said. As such, becoming vegan allowed her to say “no, thanks” to meals much of the time, and allowed her eating disorders to flourish in secret.

Of course, some embark on vegan diets for all the seemingly right reasons, only to find themselves on a slippery slope to disordered eating. As with alcohol or cigarettes, exposure combined with biological predisposition can lead to abuse. “Going on any kind of diet where you’re paying a lot of attention to what you eat or don’t eat puts you at risk for an eating disorder,” says Herrin. “Especially when you label certain foods as ‘bad.’”

Recently, reports of “orthorexia” have captured headlines. Those who suffer from the controversial new disorder compulsively avoid foods thought to be unhealthy or unnatural, including products with trans fats, artificial colors, or flavors, high-fructose corn syrup, and preservatives. Often, orthorexics opt for a strict vegan diet. Some say orthorexia represents this dangerous slide from health to pathology.

To ensure both physical and psychological health, emerging vegans should educate themselves on how to maintain balanced nutrition and weight, says Keri Gans, a spokesman for the American Dietetic Association and a practicingdietician in Manhattan. Replacing meat and dairy with plant-based sources of protein and fat is crucial, as is taking certain vitamin supplements. If they’re not vigilant, vegans can become lethargic and malnourished; they’re particularly at risk for Vitamin B-12 deficiency, which can lead to deterioration of the spinal cord.

“A person who undertakes veganism as a lifestyle, not related to any kind of eating disorder, will know that they have to replace the foods they’ve eliminated with new foods,” says Gans. “If they’re saying to me, ‘Let’s talk about ways to add more foods into my diet, I’m not afraid of healthy fats,’ I’ll say to myself, ‘OK, this person gets it.’” If not, the veganism may be a red flag.

Perhaps counterintuitively, some who are in recovery from an eating disorder say adopting a vegan diet helped to nurse them back to health. After struggling with anorexia and drug use in her 20s, Mandi Babkes embarked on an all-raw, vegan diet. She now runs a holistic health practice and raw-food vegan catering business in Pittsburgh, explaining that while her eating disorders were about self-destruction, her veganism is about self-love. “Being a vegan and raw foodist really helped me to feel better, to feel cleaner, to feel more energized,” she said. “I sleep better, and I have a brighter outlook.”

Still, many dieticians and eating-disorder specialists hesitate to recommend a vegan diet as a path to recovery. “It’s like an alcoholic who likes to spend time in bars,” says Herrin. “It’s very risky to take on any system of eating that’s restrictive and passes judgment on food that’s not founded on health principles.”

Perhaps above all, clinicians and vegan advocates alike emphasize one underlying message: At its most basic level, veganism is about practicing non-violence toward animals. And in keeping with this philosophy, its followers should look out for their own well-being, too.

When Veganism Is an Eating Disorder

For people who refuse to consume any animal products, acceptable food can be hard to come by—which makes veganism a perfect cover for those hiding their anorexia.

When Jill Miller reflects on her long, painful dance with veganism, anorexia, and bulimia, she remembers standing alone in her kitchen, binge-eating a tofu-cream pie.

These episodes of stuffing herself with whipped soy—when what she really wanted was a pint of Ben & Jerry’s—stand out in her mind as a sign that her commitment to veganism was a cover for something darker. As do the many times that she turned down food with the seemingly innocent, even noble excuse that no one could argue with: Oh, sorry. I can’t eat that—I’m vegan.

“No prime rib and Yorkshire pudding at New Year’s with Grandpa,” says Miller. “This happened at every family event.”

“I seized on the food theory of veganism to justify my desire to restrict,” says one former vegan. “It was a convenient way to eliminate fat and calories.”

The shame, discomfort, and self-loathing represented by her eating habits defined much of her early life. When she was just 13, Miller became a vegetarian, in part for philosophical reasons, but mainly as an excuse to avoid her mom’s New Orleans-style chicken-fried steak and jambalaya. As she forged a career in yoga instruction, she further restricted her diet by going vegan, all the while struggling with an eating disorder that she kept under wraps.

“I seized on the food theory of veganism to justify my desire to restrict,” she told The Daily Beast. “It was a convenient way to eliminate fat and calories.”

A breakthrough came shortly after she turned 30. She realized that the only way to fight her illness—and be happy—was to stop saying “no” to so many foods, and begin saying “yes.” She’s now an omnivorous yoga guru, starring in dozens of instructional DVDs, and she’s never felt better.

As veganism moves from the fringes to the mainstream of American culture, with A-listers like Natalie Portman and Jonathan Safran Foer loudly endorsing it, more Americans are giving it a whirl. Five percent of people in this country identify as vegan, according to a 2002 Time/CNN poll. And for most, becoming vegan can mark a healthy shift toward wholesome eating and concern for the welfare of animals. But for those at risk of developing an eating disorder, it can mask or trigger an illness, providing a socially conscious excuse not to partake in family barbeques or dinners out with friends.

According to Dr. Angela Guarda, director of the Johns Hopkins Eating Disorders Program, many vegans (and vegetarians) who enter her treatment center initially deny an underlying problem—only to later confess that their efforts to avoid animal products were really an effort to avoid food in general. “In most of our patients, the vegetarianism is in the service of the eating disorder,” she said.

For this reason, Guarda and her staff try to dissuade patients from observing any form of vegetarianism while undergoing treatment, encouraging them to broaden their food repertoire to include some meat. Other eating disorder and nutrition specialists report similar approaches.

Dr. Marcia Herrin, founder of the Dartmouth College Eating Disorders Prevention, Education and Treatment Program and now a dietician in private practice, takes a stricter (if potentially problematic) approach: Herrin tells parents not to let their kids be vegetarian until they go to college, echoing that the diet can create a “ruse” that loved ones can’t see through. “Most families don’t have the time to prepare vegetarian entrées,” she said. “What’s at risk is the child’s growth and development, and potentially an eating disorder.”

Herrin may be onto something: A 2009 study in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association revealed that young adults ages 15 to 23 who reported being vegetarian were, at some point, more likely to have also engaged in unhealthy weight-loss behaviors like bingeing, purging, and using diet pills or laxatives. And surveys show that the prevalence of vegetarianism among eating-disorder patients is higher than in the general population.

It’s important to note that for most of the country’s roughly 3 million vegans, who don’t consume or wear any animal products, their eating habits never veer into mental illness. Many consider veganism a lifestyle, says Annie Hartnett, an animal-rights activist and blogger for Change.org, or a protest against cruel farming practices. And studies have found that the physical benefits of veganism, when observed in a healthy way, are extraordinary, including lowered risk of chronic disease, improved heart health, and increased energy.

Problems arise when individuals approach veganism primarily as a vehicle for weight loss, and indeed, more than ever, it’s being marketed by certain proponents as an extreme diet. Last month, actress Jessica Simpson tweeted that she’s going vegan, along with drinking a popular weight-loss tea. While she later claimed the veganism isn’t to shed pounds, tabloids have since treated it as if it were the next Atkins Diet. Then there’s the bestselling Skinny Bitch series, a vegan manifesto in diet-book packaging. Even PETA is guilty: This past May, the organization proposed placing an ad on the Great Wall of China, depicting an overweight American tourist, with the caption: “It’s the Wall That We Should See From Space, Not You. Go Vegan.”

At the most toxic end of the eating-disorder spectrum, “ Pro-ana” websites pitch veganism as a trick of the trade, so to speak—as both a weight-loss plan and a front so no one will notice you’re anorexic. When Georgia Hollenbeck, 24, was in her early teens and spiraling into anorexia and bulimia, the veterinary worker decided to give veganism a try after reading about it on one of these sites. “I’m from Michigan, so we eat a lot of meat here,” she said. As such, becoming vegan allowed her to say “no, thanks” to meals much of the time, and allowed her eating disorders to flourish in secret.

Of course, some embark on vegan diets for all the seemingly right reasons, only to find themselves on a slippery slope to disordered eating. As with alcohol or cigarettes, exposure combined with biological predisposition can lead to abuse. “Going on any kind of diet where you’re paying a lot of attention to what you eat or don’t eat puts you at risk for an eating disorder,” says Herrin. “Especially when you label certain foods as ‘bad.’”

Recently, reports of “orthorexia” have captured headlines. Those who suffer from the controversial new disorder compulsively avoid foods thought to be unhealthy or unnatural, including products with trans fats, artificial colors, or flavors, high-fructose corn syrup, and preservatives. Often, orthorexics opt for a strict vegan diet. Some say orthorexia represents this dangerous slide from health to pathology.

To ensure both physical and psychological health, emerging vegans should educate themselves on how to maintain balanced nutrition and weight, says Keri Gans, a spokesman for the American Dietetic Association and a practicingdietician in Manhattan. Replacing meat and dairy with plant-based sources of protein and fat is crucial, as is taking certain vitamin supplements. If they’re not vigilant, vegans can become lethargic and malnourished; they’re particularly at risk for Vitamin B-12 deficiency, which can lead to deterioration of the spinal cord.

“A person who undertakes veganism as a lifestyle, not related to any kind of eating disorder, will know that they have to replace the foods they’ve eliminated with new foods,” says Gans. “If they’re saying to me, ‘Let’s talk about ways to add more foods into my diet, I’m not afraid of healthy fats,’ I’ll say to myself, ‘OK, this person gets it.’” If not, the veganism may be a red flag.

Perhaps counterintuitively, some who are in recovery from an eating disorder say adopting a vegan diet helped to nurse them back to health. After struggling with anorexia and drug use in her 20s, Mandi Babkes embarked on an all-raw, vegan diet. She now runs a holistic health practice and raw-food vegan catering business in Pittsburgh, explaining that while her eating disorders were about self-destruction, her veganism is about self-love. “Being a vegan and raw foodist really helped me to feel better, to feel cleaner, to feel more energized,” she said. “I sleep better, and I have a brighter outlook.”

Still, many dieticians and eating-disorder specialists hesitate to recommend a vegan diet as a path to recovery. “It’s like an alcoholic who likes to spend time in bars,” says Herrin. “It’s very risky to take on any system of eating that’s restrictive and passes judgment on food that’s not founded on health principles.”

Perhaps above all, clinicians and vegan advocates alike emphasize one underlying message: At its most basic level, veganism is about practicing non-violence toward animals. And in keeping with this philosophy, its followers should look out for their own well-being, too.

Being vegan isn’t as good for humanity as you think

You know it’s bad when even a Vegetarian has had enough of your proselytizing. As far as I’m concerned food production is a complex issue that should focus on three areas:

  • Providing affordable, optimal nutrition for 7.5+ billion humans 
  • Utilizing resources in the most efficient way possible which includes minimizing food waste
  • Minimizing environmental degradation by making agriculture as sustainable as possible 
  • I look forward to the day when all of our meat is produced in bioreactors and all of our veggies are grown in hydrophonic farms, including GM soybeans free of goitrogens ;).

    Being vegan isn’t as good for humanity as you think

    It’s mainly just the nans/cumberbitches talking about the vegan thing. Unless we hear him say it directly, most other fans don’t give a crap. Would love it, though, because it would mean maybe Martin rubbed off on him. But just because I go to a Bolly festival, doesn’t make me East Indian. They sound stupid, celebrating this.

    gatorfisch:

    It’s now also that DJ. That whole thing was weird. But while I think vegetarianism is a good thing, veganism is so bad for you in the long run. I know first hand what a B12 deficiency can do to you…it’s not pretty. And when you have to start taking all kinds of vitamins and minerals in pill form just to get your recommended dosage? You aren’t eating correctly. Food is life. Nutrition is important. Going against your natural biology is never a good idea.

    Indeed:

    • 80% of long-term vegans are deficient in vitamin B12, which is needed for proper mental function.(8)  B12 deficiency causes dementia, cognitive impairment, depression, and degenerative mental disorders.(9) None of these are going to improve your sports performance.

    The one diet fits all approach that vegans push ignores scientific findings. People with EDS have problems with their GI tract and malabsorption making this diet a recipe for disaster. EDS patients need to supplement as it is:

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    See that? It’s called: Adrenal Fatigue.

    • All the hormones made by the adrenal glands are made with cholesterol. You must eat cholesterol-rich foods like red and white meat and full-fat dairy and eggs to produce hormones. In other words, vegan diets are not conducive to adrenal health and actually promote adrenal fatigue. Every cell in our body contains cholesterol. 

    I am so tired of people manipulating others into adopting lifestyles that are bad for their health! All because of some fanatical ideology, it’s not right.